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Posted 27 June 2014 - 05:39 AM

Heaven forbid!!!

 

Just take a digital camera and a few members of the HACCP team and walk the process (inside and outside) taking shots of good and bad practice related to food safety, health and safety and quality.  Put them all in a slideshow and spend a couple of hours with the HACCP team, HOD's and the relevant senior manager in the training room discussing them and compile an action list.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 07:08 AM

Dear Simon:

 

We are doing this during the monthly inspection. It is easier than writing long sentences and yet others do not understand.

 

I am sure a lot of people are doing the same (with digital camera) now.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 10:43 AM

Don't forget a flashlight & mirror!


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 11:27 AM

Don't forget a flashlight & mirror!

 

As long as  their on your glass register!



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Posted 27 June 2014 - 12:00 PM

Dear Simon,

Why not? As long as it's done by well trained person and familiar with the factory operation. Yes, we need to take some pics as documentary of pre and post corrective action

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 01:43 PM

I agree a checklist CAN become a crutch.

BUT, it is helpful to look at things that are uncommon areas of concern. So perhaps, do a tour with a camera and a second walk through with the checklist, to see what people unfamiliar with the whole facility may have missed. With the list, it should not take as long as an unscripted tour.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 01:48 PM

I'm advocating this as an extra to run alongside all of the other 'tick box' audits.

 

Because it is different, perhaps more relaxed and involves a team then maybe more interesting and get's increased 'buy in' and results...and that's what we are after.

 

I'm not saying it's rocket science, just raising it for discussion.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 01:58 PM

We have started to use ipads and iAuditor. This lets some people take pics and add long sentences. So now legibility is ok and there  are extra close up pictures to go with the following description. "Old dough?  On the upper left side of the middle area under the north facing left hatch near the big gear inside the NDR back side."


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 02:44 PM

I often walk through with my flashlight and "camera" (really it's my cell phone don't yell at me) and look around.  I take pictures of any potential issues and take them to the food safety team to review them and then integrate anything that needs to be done a different way to training with the pictures I take.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:17 PM

I do both - I have a basic check list of the 'critical' items to check and any 'problem' items (we have audit focus points each month) and then the rest is 'unscripted'.

 

I also use a digital camera - a picture tells 100 words and leaves no room for debate.

 

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:27 PM

I'm advocating this as an extra to run alongside all of the other 'tick box' audits.

 

It sounds like a pretty straight forward physical walk of the line - required for annaul HACCP review / any time equipment is updated .  It's good for preparing for audits as well.

 

I also bought laser pointers for the HACCP team to point upwards from food contact zones.  This way they can follow the line looking for *stuff* that might fall in


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:34 PM

 

I also bought laser pointers for the HACCP team to point upwards from food contact zones.  This way they can follow the line looking for *stuff* that might fall in

 

Great idea!



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Posted 27 June 2014 - 05:22 PM

I also bought laser pointers for the HACCP team to point upwards from food contact zones.  This way they can follow the line looking for *stuff* that might fall in

 

I agree--Good Idea. 


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 09:04 PM

I do this with every month (or as needed).  The saying "A picture is worth a thousand words" is true and does not fall on deaf ears unlike a lengthy CA with lost-in-translation lingo.  

 

I will take office personnel into the plant with their cameras with very little knowledge of GMPs, processes, etc (cost/finance accountants, payables), and you won't believe what they find.  It's very enlightening to have a fresh set of eyes on things.

 

Of course I still keep my checklist for didactic purposes.

 

 


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:38 PM

Using camera for a number of years.  Easier to explain with a picture rather than words. Then I do not get as many calls asking me where this or that is on the line.  Check list used for the first year maybe but every audit an auditor would look in another place so list was getting too long.  And if something is bad or going bad the proof in in the picture and action seems most of the time to be faster to correct.



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 12:16 AM

we did audit without checklist, just some point of food safety ( to make audit focus). and the objective of audit is to evaluate effieciency of food safety practices in field.

 

 

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