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Posted 14 October 2014 - 06:22 PM

Hi guys I have a hypothetical question

 

 Could a mouse set off metal detector if I pass a product with mouse in it? I don't have a particular type of product - assume the mouse is living or dead.  Lets chew on it.


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Posted 14 October 2014 - 06:26 PM

Great question Dr Vu...but sorry I don't have a clue.

Will be interested to see the answer, funny validation challenge. :smile:


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Posted 14 October 2014 - 06:33 PM

I would say depends on the size of the mouse and the sensitivity of your aperture considering that mice do have iron in their blood.



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Posted 14 October 2014 - 06:40 PM

Interesting phrasing. *I* do not want to 'chew on this'  :cm:

 

I would say that if your mouse had metal content in excess of your testing standards, (for us 2. mm ferrous, 4.0 mm stainless, 2.5 non-ferrous), it should register as metal contaminated. 


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Posted 14 October 2014 - 06:46 PM

Hi guys I have a hypothetical question

 

 Could a mouse set off metal detector if I pass a product with mouse in it? I don't have a particular type of product - assume the mouse is living or dead.  Lets chew on it.

 Posssibly -especially if you use this rather interesting (& macabre!) control measure! http://pest.tips.net...Steel_Wool.html


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Posted 14 October 2014 - 08:08 PM

*living = Absolutely! The little buggers toss around a bit when seeking escape. This vibration could be your "environmental noise" which definitely sets off a calibrated metal detector.  

 

*dead or alive = Absolutely! A dry product (grain, cereal, etc.) setup will reject a "meat" inclusion as the two are non-homogeneous  in regards to water and salinity levels.  It's very possible as well in a meat product depending on the form...

 

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Posted 14 October 2014 - 08:47 PM

Hi guys I have a hypothetical question

 

 Could a mouse set off metal detector if I pass a product with mouse in it? I don't have a particular type of product - assume the mouse is living or dead.  Lets chew on it.

Depends how many fillings it's had.

 

Think Jaws :smile:

 

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 08:12 AM

Depends how many fillings it's had.

 

Think Jaws :smile:

 

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 12:00 PM

Well the obvious way to find out is to put a mouse in one of your packages and run him through right? :roflmao:

 

I'm not sure how much iron is in mouse blood... I'm guessing it's possible, like previous posters said, that their blood might set it off... or if they ate something metal. I've never heard of something like this but maybe someone else has.


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 12:17 PM

 

 

I'm not sure how much iron is in mouse blood... I'm guessing it's possible, like previous posters said, that their blood might set it off... 

 according to google....the oral is LD50  is 160mcg/g in mice.... so I'm guessing that would be the maximum possible iron content -whether that would be enough to set off a 'finely tuned' detector..........?

 

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 12:27 PM

http://www.sciencedi...160540278900542

 

The mean iron content ± SE of mouse blood is 551 ± 11 1-s2.0-0160540278900542-si1.gif<img height="30" border="0" style="vertical-align:bottom" width="48" alt="" title="" src="http://origin-ars.el...2-si1.gif">

 

I'm guessing, if this is right, that a 1.5 mm standard calibrated metal detector would not detect the mouse...

 

On average, mice have around 58.5 ml of blood per kg of bodyweight. A mouse weighing 25 g would therefore have a total blood volume (TBV) of approximately 58.5 ml/kg x 0.025 kg = 1.46 ml.

 

 

so assuming 1.5 ml of blood then there would be ~ 826 µg

 


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 04:08 PM

 according to google....the oral is LD50  is 160mcg/g in mice.... so I'm guessing that would be the maximum possible iron content -whether that would be enough to set off a 'finely tuned' detector..........?

 

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http://www.sciencedi...160540278900542

 

The mean iron content ± SE of mouse blood is 551 ± 11 1-s2.0-0160540278900542-si1.gif<img height="30" border="0" style="vertical-align:bottom" width="48" alt="" title="" src="http://origin-ars.el...2-si1.gif">

 

I'm guessing, if this is right, that a 1.5 mm standard calibrated metal detector would not detect the mouse...

 

On average, mice have around 58.5 ml of blood per kg of bodyweight. A mouse weighing 25 g would therefore have a total blood volume (TBV) of approximately 58.5 ml/kg x 0.025 kg = 1.46 ml.

 

 

so assuming 1.5 ml of blood then there would be ~ 826 µg

 

 

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 04:49 PM

My kind of nerds...

 

 

We work hard to please! :happydance:

 

Of course our answers are based solely on Google searches and as such we can't be held liable if you pack out a mouse (even though I did say it probably wouldn't detect it sooo I guess it would validate my information)...


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 05:12 PM

My kind of nerds...

 Thnx-I am ashamed to admit that Mr I's nerdom far surpassed mine in this particular instance (well done sir!) ...but I will endevour to ensure it never happens again!

 

I have learned something new though- and that is the average blood volume of a mouse!-(I have to say it looks a lot more than 1.5ml .......when you guillotine them!)

 

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 05:15 PM

lol... well Mike I'm sorry to have outnerded you in front of the ladies :happydance:


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 05:20 PM

It's insane how much this topic has evolved from a QA topic to rodentology. I think I also saw a QA person transform into a rodentologist right before my eyes :yikes: . Initially I really didn't think this topic would get much lift and here we are on page 2.



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Posted 15 October 2014 - 05:34 PM

It's insane how much this topic has evolved from a QA topic to rodentology. I think I also saw a QA person transform into a rodentologist right before my eyes :yikes: . Initially I really didn't think this topic would get much lift and here we are on page 2.

 

 

Well in order to make an educated guess... first one must educate themselves.  If we can determine how much iron might be in said mouse's blood we can determine if he'll set off a metal detector.  A few Google searches does not a rodentologist make...


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 05:54 PM

Well in order to make an educated guess... first one must educate themselves.  If we can determine how much iron might be in said mouse's blood we can determine if he'll set off a metal detector

  and there.... in a nutshell ....is everything that I like about this forum......

 

anyone can ask a question & someone (well usually quite a few people) will go the 'extra mile' to help!

 

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 09:21 PM

  and there.... in a nutshell ....is everything that I like about this forum......

 

anyone can ask a question & someone (well usually quite a few people) will go the 'extra mile' to help!

 

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You got that right and completely agree!


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 09:25 PM

Detector must not have worked in this case......

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 09:51 AM

Awww.... the poor little guy was just hungry... :crying:   :crybaby:


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Posted 16 October 2014 - 09:58 AM

Detector must not have worked in this case......

 

...the mouse must have been anaemic!  :roflmao:

 

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 12:03 PM

hahahaha..  you guys are a riot . :ejut: .but am loving the feedback......


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Posted 16 October 2014 - 04:45 PM

hahahaha..  you guys are a riot . :ejut: .but am loving the feedback......

 

Yes we are  Thank you.   :roflmao:  :roflmao:


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Posted 16 October 2014 - 04:45 PM

Awww.... the poor little guy was just hungry... :crying:   :crybaby:

 I know I feel bad, he was awfully cute....before the baking. 


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