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#1 taein6022

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 05:58 PM

Question 1. How long does plant usually take to get USDA establishment from the beginning?

                   and what kind of challenge will we face for getting USDA establishment.

 

Question 2. We are going to build a new plant right next to our previous one until 2022. If our previous factory already has USDA Establishment,

 

                   is it easy to get another USDA Establishment for plant 2 [new factory]?, 

                  

                  and are there any advantages can we get if our previous factory already has USDA Establishment [for getting new USDA Establishment for plant 2]?

 

Question 3.

 

Is it more efficient to take over a company which already has an USDA Establishment or getting a new USDA Establishment with a new plant? [Budget wise] and why?

 

Question 4.

 

If we decide to take over a new plant with USDA Establishment, how long does it usually take to transfer USDA Establishment number form previous owner to us.

 

Thank you for your help...

 

and i hope you guys have a great day !



#2 Scampi

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 06:00 PM

To be clear, you are:

A) in south Korea not the USA

 

B) currently registered and approved to export to the USA

 

C) considering building a new building

 

D) wanting to keep your export eligibility


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Posted 01 March 2019 - 06:07 PM

Hello Master,

 

thank you for the review my topic.

 

A) Plant is in the U.S.

 

B) Since our plant is in the U.S. we don't need to get any registration to export to the U.S.

 

C) yes 

 

D) Same answer as B).

 

Sorry that i confused you for my South Korean flag, when i made an account, I thought i had to choose my nationality...



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Posted 01 March 2019 - 06:16 PM

LOL, you can ask Simon to change that for you if you want!

 

I know with CFIA in Canada, the best thing to do is still down with the area manager or inspection manager well in advance. You should be able to transfer the establishment number you currently have, but the facility itself will be at square 1 as far as inspection programs go and for things like routine pathogen 

 

There are pros and cons to both of your scenarios...........renovating an existing building can eat up alot of $$$ really quickly as there are always problems you aren't aware of, at my PP, the renos ended up 6 months behind AND the entire floor had to be cut up and there turned out to be a broken drain no one knew was there which meant a full shut down for 5 days

 

New construction can be very exciting, but also very lengthy---but for USDA you have the added bonus of showing how committed to food safety you are by investing in a new facility that is hopefully state of the art

 

Generally speaking, each new facility is treated as a stand alone, but if the company has a really good  record with USDA is should hopefully speed things along for a new or second facility.

 

Best thing is to ask the vet in charge or senior inspector who the area inspection manager is and then call and ask them all your questions!

 

Good on you for investigating early


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Posted 01 March 2019 - 06:32 PM

Hello master from Canada :)

 

Now i have to contact electrician, construction representatives, food safety consultant, and senior inspector or vet for USDA...

 

our current situation is pretty messed up, and my job is originally logistics not a planner of food plant, so I have to do everything from the beginning..

 

by the way, thank you very much about your help, you gave me a path to find out how am i going to do.

 

again thank you for your help, and I hope you have a wonderful day !

 

Best Regards,



#6 Scampi

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 06:40 PM

Best of luck............don't forget city hall for permits etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 01 March 2019 - 09:21 PM

Talk to your current USDA inspector for information and advice - they will get their boss involved.

 

Building a building from scratch is, in my opinion, the better option because you can build it out with food safety in mind.  Have a food safety minded person (PCQI, someone with GFSI level training, etc.) review everything along with the engineers who will build it to keep food safety in mind.

 

Good luck on the expansion.



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Posted 01 March 2019 - 09:37 PM

Involve your current USDA inspector.  Get their input, have them give you advice and contacts.  Any plans / drawings involve the USDA inspectors as well at the front of it and get their input, they may need to sign off (I'm not sure).  I know if it was a milk plant, the FDA State inspector would have to sign off on the plant drawings, the equipment, and the equipment testing once it is installed.



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Posted 02 March 2019 - 01:47 AM

To be clear, you are:

A) in south Korea not the USA

 

B) currently registered and approved to export to the USA

 

C) considering building a new building

 

D) wanting to keep your export eligibility

 

Hi Scampi,

 

Re "Korea" see -

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...ry/#entry137307

 

 

These threads may perhaps be usefully read as background to the present one  -

 

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...s-of-gmp-haccp/

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...or-one-factory/

 

I anticipate Post8 in current thread  is good immediate advice.


Kind Regards,

 

Charles.C


#10 Scampi

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 05:38 PM

Thanks Charles, post 8 is more or less what I had suggested as well

 

Note: poster is not actually in Korea  see post #3


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