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#1 Asanele

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Posted 31 May 2019 - 06:54 PM

Good day everyone i would like to know what is metal specification in tea that is packed in Bulk bags the bags weighs about 1 ton each.

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 04:33 AM

Hi Asanele,

 

Do you mean metal detection limits?

 

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 04:36 AM

Yes Tony, but we not using metal detectors, we using magnets instead and clean up the magnets and weigh up the iron fillings.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 05:11 AM

Yes Tony, but we not using metal detectors, we using magnets instead and clean up the magnets and weigh up the iron fillings.


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anyone with sound knowledge on the metal limits even if it’s from the auditors point of view. I thank you!


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:26 AM

As for as i know, generally limits of 0.8 mm Fe (Ferrous), 1.0 mm Non-ferrous and 1.2 mm stainless steel for all food and drink. 

 

Attached files may help u.

 

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:34 AM

Thank you Mahantesh I’ll go through the PDF and obstruct some useful contents and again thank you!


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 02:19 PM

FS Standard unknown.

 

Has been discussed here several times with not always particularly comprehensible answers. Indeed It is not a simple query.

 

See -

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...magnets-as-ccp/

https://www.ifsqn.co...critical-limit/

https://www.ifsqn.co...et-trap-as-ccp/

https://www.ifsqn.co...ts-and-sieving/


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 03:38 PM

FS Standard unknown.

Has been discussed here several times with not always particularly comprehensible answers. Indeed It is not a simple query.

See -

https://www.ifsqn.co...magnets-as-ccp/
https://www.ifsqn.co...critical-limit/
https://www.ifsqn.co...et-trap-as-ccp/
https://www.ifsqn.co...ts-and-sieving/

Hi Charles, thanks for the input. I’m-just wondering when it comes to auditors do they turn a blind eye in this. I’m just curious now. We never really had a finding in this but I’m trying to improve our system as we once had a customer compliant with regards the metals.

Thanks!


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 05:05 PM

One option to use as a support document https://www.fda.gov/.../99558/download - from the FDA - pg 33-34 and as a metal spec.

 

In it is states: FDA's Health Hazard Evaluation Board has supported regulatory action against products with metal fragments of 0.3 inches (7 mm) to 1.0 inches (25 mm) in length. Such fragments have been shown to be a hazard to consumers.



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Posted 06 June 2019 - 07:25 PM

One option to use as a support document https://www.fda.gov/.../99558/download - from the FDA - pg 33-34 and as a metal spec.

 

In it is states: FDA's Health Hazard Evaluation Board has supported regulatory action against products with metal fragments of 0.3 inches (7 mm) to 1.0 inches (25 mm) in length. Such fragments have been shown to be a hazard to consumers.

 

A more extended/comprehensive (albeit ultimately slightly evasive) FDA presentation for CCP handling of magnets/MDs is attached.

 

Attached File  Chapter 20 Metal Inclusion.pdf   1.71MB   39 downloads


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 07:31 PM

A more comprehensive (albeit ultimately slightly evasive) FDA presentation for CCP handling of magnets/MDs is attached.

attachicon.gif Chapter 20 Metal Inclusion.pdf

thank you Charles, this will benefit most of the members whom previously hit dead end on this matter. The focus here is mainly on the size but not on the quantity. For instance the iron fillings they usually finely small. So i want to discuss the quantity that is allowed as per grams now.

Thank you!


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 08:20 PM

thank you Charles, this will benefit most of the members whom previously hit dead end on this matter. The focus here is mainly on the size but not on the quantity. For instance the iron fillings they usually finely small. So i want to discuss the quantity that is allowed as per grams now.

Thank you!


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Here is another very slightly amended "operational" version (ie see "hazardous") of the "AND" portion of the FDA critical limit in Post 10 -

 

Attached File  magnet-MD CL.PNG   56.27KB   4 downloads

 

And, just for contrast, here is a USA-specific caveat which sort of  "justifies" the FDA's nominal zero tolerance in Post 10

 

The FDA’s Health Hazard Evaluation Board recommends regulatory action when metal fragments measuring three tenths of an inch to one inch in size are discovered. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FFD&C Act), however, defines "food containing a foreign object" as adulterated and prohibits interstate commerce of adulterated food products. Medically speaking, metal fragments less than three tenths of an inch in size can cause severe injury or trauma to infants, the elderly, or those who have just undergone surgery. These groups, in particular, are considered at ‘special’ risk. For those not in the special risk groups, ingesting metal fragments of any measurable size can cause laceration of the mouth or throat, dental trauma, and possible perforation of the esophagus, intestines, or stomach.
https://www.foodonli...ood-safety-0001

 

Here is an illustration of use of combined magnet + MD, 1st column is "hazard" and 2nd the "point of control". Note the CCP has shifted to MD -

 

Attached File  magnet plus MD.png   795.55KB   3 downloads


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 09:38 PM

Thank you Charles, I’ll definitely make use of this. It helpful when you have some information that you can cross reference with. Hope we will save lives with this information


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