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[angelica]

Since actual method for rodents control isn't efficient enough (baits inside cylinders) I'd like to hear about pros and cons of using 1/2 poisoned oranges closed inside traps (rats and mice love them).

Does anybody use a different method?



Premises are in the country and source of animals is enormous



Thank you in advance



Angelica

[Simon]

Since actual method for rodents control isn't efficient enough (baits inside cylinders) I'd like to hear about pros and cons of using 1/2 poisoned oranges closed inside traps (rats and mice love them).

Does anybody use a different method?

Premises are in the country and source of animals is enormous

Hello Angelica. I'm no pest control expert, but for what it's worth I do have an opinion. If the rats and mice love the rotting oranges so much would using them not just encourage all the rodents from miles around? I’m presuming the little pests have a good sense of smell. Sure you want to catch them when they come, but I don’t think you should invite them over for a party. Just my uneducated opinion.

Regards,
Simon

[angelica]

You are very right Simon, that's why I'm looking for a different method.
Oranges have the water they need, and that's the reason they take them, even if poisoned. Rats don’t take dry baits because they prefer our product. And I suspect they are cleverer than we are because always find the way to reach it (I mean our product, despite the barriers we put).

thank you for your opinion

[Suzuki]

Hi Angelica

We have removed all our pest contractors and perform in-house pest control management using ONLY non-poisonous baits and we still prefer the old rat trap cages.

I suppose if the poisoned oranges are effective baits, these should be used in rat cages and should be your first line of defence and placed along external parameters of your premise. (none in the internal production area). This way, the bait-taken rats do not get into your factory areas and you ensure cross contamination of chemical poisoning does not occur.

The trick really is to wash you rat cages in hot water to get rid of the odor they release after they are caught.

Hope this helps

Suzuki

[angelica]

The trick really is to wash you rat cages in hot water to get rid of the odor they release after they are caught.

Hope this helps

Suzuki

great trick ! never heard about it!

thank you Suzuki!

angelica

[cazyncymru]

great trick ! never heard about it!

thank you Suzuki!

angelica

I can remember, when i first started out in the dairy industry, that each dairy had a Cat!!

[Sankara narayanan]

Dear Angelica,
Why don't you try electronic pest repellars? We have installed several of them in critical areas of operation and found them to be quite effective.

Best Regards,

A Sankara Narayanan

[Suzuki]

Hi Sankara,

Pest repellar is an interesting idea. But when there is no catch there is no verification analysis and when there is no data implementation, you loose the measurable objective concept. And, then we have the validation part to be concern about!

Repellent approach does not eliminate or reduce but probably prevent but sure hope you can provide the proof. I wonder how the auditor would view this approach to pest management.

Regards
Suzuki

[angelica]

Dear Angelica,
Why don't you try electronic pest repellars? We have installed several of them in critical areas of operation and found them to be quite effective.

Best Regards,

A Sankara Narayanan

Hello Sankara

I used that kind of devices at home, since I used to live close to a barn. Then I heard electronic (ultrasound) affects human beings, so I stop using them at home. Fortunately I moved and don't need anything like pest control at home


but I’m very precautious to use them in the premises.

Have you ever heard anything like that?

I'm going to ask our "occupational safety and health" people ...



angelica

[angelica]

I can remember, when i first started out in the dairy industry, that each dairy had a Cat!!

good old times!! (from a cat's point of view I mean)

[moo73steve]

An alternative to the common bait station is to use a liquid bait station. This would provide the water they are after rather than the normal bait.
I think most commercial pest controller should have access to them.

[Suzuki]

Steve

Its an excellent idea. I would use it.

Regards
Suzuki

[angelica]

An alternative to the common bait station is to use a liquid bait station. This would provide the water they are after rather than the normal bait.
I think most commercial pest controller should have access to them.

our pest control guys don't have liquid bait station, because they can't afford the cost of devices that prevent spill. That's why they put half oranges.

[Simon]

our pest control guys don't have liquid bait station, because they can't afford the cost of devices that prevent spill. That's why they put half oranges.

So are you going to argue the case of food safety over cost Angelica?

[angelica]

So are you going to argue the case of food safety over cost Angelica?

Hi Simon



Remember I asked for pros and cons of half oranges method in my first post?



Well, I’m still looking for different methods. Effective methods, of course. Then, we need to meet with pest control contractors and discuss the alternatives.



No final word is already said.



Does it answer your question? If not I’m sorry, I’m afraid I don’t get the real meaning of it and I need to ask you please, could you clarify it for me?



Ps: I appreciate very much your opinions, thank you

[Bunny]

As I understand it you are looking for the pro`s and con`s of the half orange approach.

Pro`s from a pest control view point, it makes sense to use and poison baits that are most attractive to the target species, are your costs so poor that you cannot afford to use liquid bait dispensers?

Cons: I`m sure that if you are looking to export your product are there sufficient safeguards that the poisoned product cannot enter production?

In this ever expanding market and shrinking world I would be suprised if some of the markets you are hoping to supply would accept your proposal for using the same foodstuffs for baiting rodents as are processed in plant.

There would appear to be an unacceptable risk of contamination.

Just a viewpoint from a food industry pestie in the UK, the restrictions in this neck of the woods are obviously much more stringent than in your area.

Regard

Bunny

[hacked]

just a quick question: won't the poisoned orange attract pests other than rodents?

[angelica]

just a quick question: won't the poisoned orange attract pests other than rodents?

well, it seems to be one of the cons


thank you Hacked

[mattiesheldon]

Apart from the fact that I love oranges and would hate to see them being put to use as pest control bait, I think this sounds like a very cost efficient idea. Like the others have mentioned, I would be worried that it would attract all sorts of pests but I suppose getting rid of as many pests as you can would be fine.

Do you have an update on what you decided to do?

Edited by mattiesheldon, 19 March 2008 - 03:04 AM.

[Penard]

Angelica,

Good question from mattie; a few months later, what is your opinion about all those pest propositions?

Regards,

Emmanuel.

[Simon]

Apart from the fact that I love oranges and would hate to see them being put to use as pest control bait, I think this sounds like a very cost efficient idea. Like the others have mentioned, I would be worried that it would attract all sorts of pests but I suppose getting rid of as many pests as you can would be fine.

Do you have an update on what you decided to do?

Angelica,

Good question from mattie; a few months later, what is your opinion about all those pest propositions?

Regards,

Emmanuel.

Angelica are you there?

[EuGeNe]

Just like Suzuki said, you could use poisoned oranges but keep it at the third line defense; which is the external perimeter of your premis only.

For use in internal processing areas (first line def), the pest control experts suggested to use non-poisonous glue boards only. It is technically just a box with holes and sticky pad that will capture the rodent when they accidentally enters this box. This method is definitely not very effective since it depends on chance. However, it is also the safest and it does not attract rodents from other sources, what more about other types of pest.

For my third line defense, we use on dried salted fish instead of the oranges. The smell of this fish are simply irresistable...

[cazyncymru]

Just like Suzuki said, you could use poisoned oranges but keep it at the third line defense; which is the external perimeter of your premis only.

For use in internal processing areas (first line def), the pest control experts suggested to use non-poisonous glue boards only. It is technically just a box with holes and sticky pad that will capture the rodent when they accidentally enters this box. This method is definitely not very effective since it depends on chance. However, it is also the safest and it does not attract rodents from other sources, what more about other types of pest.

For my third line defense, we use on dried salted fish instead of the oranges. The smell of this fish are simply irresistable...

Unfortunately for those of us who have BRC, homemade traps aren't really an option!

[vin]

hai,
if u r going behind eradiation methods, never ends. because survivors will be there or pests may come from other regions also. my opinion is environetal control method. because through environmental control methods u r not only preventing rodents.

find the resons why rodents are there and find the solution also.

[wijit]

Very late on in this discussion, but for what it's worth;
If Angelica (still there?) uses Oranges then as already mentioned there is a strong risk of introducing and encouraging other pests which may be even harder to get rid of. The obvious possibility of having rotten food around would also not help with any audits she may encounter. What may be worthwhile is placing a Salt/Poison mixture out, this would have a much reduced odour than Oranges and so would concentrate on the existing rodent population if used wisely along known Rat runs. You could use this concurrently with traditional Rat baits.