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[Alexander Hughes]

Foods in the U.S., Western Europe, and Japan are in general safer. How about other countries?

Is there a survey about which countries are more HACCP compliant? How can one be sure he/she is eating safe foods while in other countries (other than eating in 5-star hotels)?

A hint: U.S. president Obama's mother died young (of cancer) as most of her adult life was outside of the U.S. Was that because the foods she ate was not as safe as in the U.S.?

Regards,
Alex

[a_andhika]

Dear Alex,

I.... dont really get on it.... I even think there is no such thing like that. Anyone? Nevertheless, perhaps this link may help you anyway (freshly taken from FDA):

http://www.fda.gov/o..._oasis_ref.html

Hummm, I cant say my country's achivement is good, but I wont say it was bad... Viva!!!


Regards,


Arya

[Charles.C]

Dear Alex,

Welcome to the forum !

I think the direct answer to yr question is no.

An indirect “average” answer might be based on relative country statistics of certified cases of iso 22000, BRC etc if such exists (unfortunately probably not). Even then, you presumably need a “percentage” based estimator. Per capita ? GDP?

(slightly off-topic) - I also wonder if this thread is analogous to the old question as to whether possession of ISO 9000 improves the quality. The last global average answer I saw to this was seemingly no.

I don’t recall seeing any global attempt to answer this question for HACCP. Any strict answer should presumably relate to food categories / consumer types, eg the USA meat industry is one of the few attempts to make a direct quantitative correlation, I think?

Regarding yr original statement –

Foods in the U.S., Western Europe, and Japan are in general safer.

Intentionally provocative? Think rare hamburgers for example.

>> And healthier ????

Rgds / Charles.C

added - some other vaguely related thoughts on this last-mentioned topic are here - http://www.ifsqn.com...?showtopic=4824

[MRios]

How about HAACP for puffer fish?
that oughtta be interesting!

[GMO]

Wow! I think stating that foods outside the US cause you cancer would be a difficult point to prove (and one people would find insulting.) Note that obesity and lack of eating of fresh unprocessed ingredients combined with at least 5 fruit and veg per day have strong evidence to cause cancer. I haven't seen the figures but I suspect that cancer rates in most developed countries are actually worse than some developing ones because the diet in developed countries is so high fat, high sugar and low in nutritional value.

On food safety, we can only talk in averages here because although HACCP is law in the UK, doesn't mean I've not had food poisoning. I have also had food poisoning from 4 and 5 star establishments in India but been fine from street stalls.

In countries where HACCP isn't common practice, it makes sense to assess things yourself. Does the establishment look clean (especially the toilets and if you can see into the kitchen area.) Steer clear of uncooked vegetables and unhealthy though it is, some of the safest food is deep fried (which is partly the reason why street food can be ok.)

If it's in a developed country, I'd still be sensible. I didn't go back to a chinese takeaway because it looked dirty and I saw them storing rice at room temperature.

[Charles.C]

Slightly off-topic but couldn't resist adding to the thread.

I am an occasional supporter of the fast-food burger set.

Nonetheless, I was startled by this detailed list of, I presume, typical representatives of the USA market.

Eg http://health.yahoo....to-eat-instead/

Not sure why it was apparently targeted at the Men’s Health Section.

Rgds / Charles.C

[immortal]

Come to Turkiye and eat Kebap, safe food, hospitality.

:)

[Simon]

Come to Turkiye and eat Kebap, safe food, hospitality.

:)

Is that the same kebab us Brits like to eat after consuming many pints of beer?

[Zeeshan]

Dear Alex,

(slightly off-topic) - I also wonder if this thread is analogous to the old question as to whether possession of ISO 9000 improves the quality. The last global average answer I saw to this was seemingly no.

Dear Charles,

Would you please give reference of this thread. I was thinking to start somewhat a similar poll to get some sort of data.

Regards:

Zeeshan

[Tony-C]

Foods in the U.S., Western Europe, and Japan are in general safer. How about other countries?

Is there a survey about which countries are more HACCP compliant? How can one be sure he/she is eating safe foods while in other countries (other than eating in 5-star hotels)?

Regards,
Alex

Living in Thailand I have had food poisoning twice. Both times from 4 - 5 star hotels/restaurants. I buy food off the streets/from markets all the time and never had a problem.

Does having a HACCP mean that you provide safe food or does it just mean you have a due diligence defence when you go to court?

Regards,

Tony

[Simon]

Living in Thailand I have had food poisoning twice. Both times from 4 - 5 star hotels/restaurants. I buy food off the streets/from markets all the time and never had a problem.

Does having a HACCP mean that you provide safe food or does it just mean you have a due diligence defence when you go to court?

Regards,

Tony

'Effective' is the missing word.

[Simon]

Effective is the missing keyword.