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#1 Vishal D

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 03:44 PM

Hi,
We are monitoring the mold count in the food processing area.
Need the standrards & guidelines to control the same.
Can you pl help

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 07:36 PM

Dear Vishal:

Check this attachment, might be helpful.

Attached File  Cleanroom_classifications_1.pdf   109.24KB   175 downloads

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Posted 26 November 2009 - 05:13 AM

Dear FSSM,

It got nice info.Thanks

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 05:56 PM

Hi Vishal,

Did the document FSSM provided help you? Let us know if you need further help.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 07:54 AM

Dear Vishal:

Check this attachment, might be helpful.

Attached File  Cleanroom_classifications_1.pdf   109.24KB   175 downloads

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Hi FSSM

Many thanks for the documents...but i think vishal question is counts of environment which not clean rooms. As per my knowledge their is no specific standards for the same ......if any one has ...please share those standards........& if i am wrong correct me

Many thanks once again


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Posted 15 April 2010 - 02:00 PM

Hi FSSM

Many thanks for the documents...but i think vishal question is counts of environment which not clean rooms. As per my knowledge their is no specific standards for the same ......if any one has ...please share those standards........& if i am wrong correct me

Many thanks once again



Dear sudarshan,

The classification of clean room also considers mold count, look to the document attached, search for mold.

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Attached File  Sterile Drug Products Produced by Aseptic Processing - Current Good Manufacturing Practice.pdf   734.22KB   59 downloads

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Posted 17 April 2010 - 10:41 AM

Dear sudarshan,

The classification of clean room also considers mold count, look to the document attached, search for mold.

Regards,

FSSM


Attached File  Sterile Drug Products Produced by Aseptic Processing - Current Good Manufacturing Practice.pdf   734.22KB   59 downloads


Hi FSSM

Many Thanks for documents

Please coorect me if i am wrong..

But I thought Clean rooms are those which has filters ....but where production area is without filters that environment count standard for Yeast & Mould is different or same...

Sudarshan
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 05:02 PM

Hi FSSM

Many Thanks for documents

Please coorect me if i am wrong..

But I thought Clean rooms are those which has filters ....but where production area is without filters that environment count standard for Yeast & Mould is different or same...

Sudarshan


Sudarshan,

To have controlled conditions of micriological load in the environment you need tools to help you, like filters, if not, then you can check the microbiological quality of air, but can´t do anything about it. It also depends on the design of your facilities, if you have open acces for air, then you have a lot or little (if no resources available) to do. The document is only a references of what Pharmaceutical Industry use, so you can get a parameter of what would be useful for food production.

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Edited by FSSM, 19 April 2010 - 05:04 PM.


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Posted 20 April 2010 - 09:36 AM

Sudarshan,

To have controlled conditions of micriological load in the environment you need tools to help you, like filters, if not, then you can check the microbiological quality of air, but can´t do anything about it. It also depends on the design of your facilities, if you have open acces for air, then you have a lot or little (if no resources available) to do. The document is only a references of what Pharmaceutical Industry use, so you can get a parameter of what would be useful for food production.

Regards,

FSSM


Hi FSSM

I agree with you.....we check the same microbiological quality......but how you can decide whatever count is within limit .........or needs to improve ...

improve means if filters are not their then some times the combination of formaldehyde & pottasium permanent use to control the micros (not in food stored area because may be chances of chemical deposition on food or food may be catch the smell of chemical )..


any standard is supporting this thing...anyone can help on this topic

your view is highly appreciated

Thanks

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 05:50 PM

Hi FSSM

I agree with you.....we check the same microbiological quality......but how you can decide whatever count is within limit .........or needs to improve ...

improve means if filters are not their then some times the combination of formaldehyde & pottasium permanent use to control the micros (not in food stored area because may be chances of chemical deposition on food or food may be catch the smell of chemical )..


any standard is supporting this thing...anyone can help on this topic

your view is highly appreciated

Thanks



Well, actually we are working in what you say, triying to stablish what is a good limit or when to improve.

Will let you know our decission.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 12:12 PM

Hi,
We are monitoring the mold count in the food processing area.
Need the standrards & guidelines to control the same.
Can you pl help

Regards
Vishal


whats ur company manufacturing???whats current bacterial,yeast and mold count now?do u hv any fumigation process in ur cleaning schedule????

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 04:01 PM

whats ur company manufacturing???whats current bacterial,yeast and mold count now?do u hv any fumigation process in ur cleaning schedule????


Warehousing of additives and ingredients only.

Plates were exposed for 10 minutes, see attachment for the data.

We clean floor daily, other surfaces are cleaned less frequently.

Regards,

FSSM

Attached File  Microbiological quality of air.xls   15.5KB   59 downloads

Edited by FSSM, 23 April 2010 - 04:09 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2010 - 11:45 AM

Warehousing of additives and ingredients only.

Plates were exposed for 10 minutes, see attachment for the data.

We clean floor daily, other surfaces are cleaned less frequently.

Regards,

FSSM

Attached File  Microbiological quality of air.xls   15.5KB   59 downloads


Hi FSSM

I saw your results........which is yearly basis ..............as per my view it should be fortnightly or monthly ...when you establish the standard & my next question is how you differ yeast & mould count.....means can you use any special media which allows only yeast growth & not to mould & vice versa......

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 01:50 PM

Hi FSSM

I saw your results........which is yearly basis ..............as per my view it should be fortnightly or monthly ...when you establish the standard & my next question is how you differ yeast & mould count.....means can you use any special media which allows only yeast growth & not to mould & vice versa......

thanks



I´m not sure about the media used to differentiate yeast and moulds, but we do ask the external lab to do so. You may be right, a more frequent monitoring might be good, but I can´t do to much to control the environment, so it would be useless.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 10:46 AM

I´m not sure about the media used to differentiate yeast and moulds, but we do ask the external lab to do so. You may be right, a more frequent monitoring might be good, but I can´t do to much to control the environment, so it would be useless.

Regards,

FSSM


Hi FSSM

Nothing is useless.......

are you just monitor the environment count? ......or you take some corrective action on it when thing not in order.......

can your external lab give you any suggestion if when they found high count?
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 04:55 PM

Hi FSSM

Nothing is useless.......

are you just monitor the environment count? ......or you take some corrective action on it when thing not in order.......

can your external lab give you any suggestion if when they found high count?


Yeap, we just monitor, but we officially do not have a limit, so we are not having any actions against the results we have received to date.

We will try to reach to a conclusion in the next months, I´m sure we will have to take into consideration the comments from the external lab.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 10:04 AM

Yeap, we just monitor, but we officially do not have a limit, so we are not having any actions against the results we have received to date.

We will try to reach to a conclusion in the next months, I´m sure we will have to take into consideration the comments from the external lab.

Regards,

FSSM


Hi FSSM

If i will get something on it i will defiantly share with you & all.
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Posted 13 May 2010 - 07:02 PM

Hi FSSM

I saw your results........which is yearly basis ..............as per my view it should be fortnightly or monthly ...when you establish the standard & my next question is how you differ yeast & mould count.....means can you use any special media which allows only yeast growth & not to mould & vice versa......

thanks




In regards to this, I don't know if theres neccessarily a media that's yeast or mold specific, but you can generally tell the two types of growth apart. Yeast forms little smooth blobs of colonies with distinct edges, while mold tends to spread, look fuzzy and put out fruiting bodies.

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 12:28 PM

In regards to this, I don't know if theres neccessarily a media that's yeast or mold specific, but you can generally tell the two types of growth apart. Yeast forms little smooth blobs of colonies with distinct edges, while mold tends to spread, look fuzzy and put out fruiting bodies.


Hi Gao Yu Qing

As per my information no media can allow separate growth for yeast or mould ......

i know the colony characteristic of both .......but some times some mould inhibit the growth of other microorganisms

I am not sure but sodium propionate can differentiate the yeast & mould growth

Thanks for your comment
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