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#1 Kellio

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 08:35 PM

Hello Everyone,

 

I need some guidance in the Spice Industry.  Can someone share an example of a EMP?

 

I am new to this spice facility and industry and  I am working in upgrading the EMP Program.  The procedure does not have enough to pass SQF or FSMA

 

Looking for what kind of practices you do perform for your EMP. eg. Scheduling, micro monitoring, Zone Identification.

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Kellio.

 



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Posted 08 April 2019 - 08:53 PM

Here's something I wrote for a spice company a while back. It has been superseded, and it should have been, as it has issues. But it should actually give you a better idea of the thinking processes one should go through--ideas that should probably not be shared so directly with employees and auditors.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 09:00 PM

Hello Mr Hank Major,

 

Thank you for your response. This is great information.

 

Kellio



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Posted 08 April 2019 - 09:05 PM

Hello Mr Hank Major,

 

Thank you for your response. This is great information.

 

Kellio

 

No prob.

 

I look forward to seeing other people's Environmental Monitoring Program write-ups.



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Posted 09 April 2019 - 09:50 AM

Hi kellio,

 

some examples here -

 

http://www.ifsqn.com...ls/#entry100060

http://www.ifsqn.com...am/#entry119334

 

PS - @Hank, Zone 1 seems to often not be routinely sampled for Salmonella.


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Posted 09 April 2019 - 01:53 PM

Hello Charles,

 

Thank you very much for your information is very helpful.  The Spice Industry have their own world and apparently it seems that the rules do not apply to them  :rofl2:  :rofl2:  :rofl2:

 

Kellio



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Posted 10 April 2019 - 08:01 PM

Hi kellio,

 

some examples here -

 

http://www.ifsqn.com...ls/#entry100060

http://www.ifsqn.com...am/#entry119334

 

PS - @Hank, Zone 1 seems to often not be routinely sampled for Salmonella.

 

That's correct, because we determined that such testing would be worse than useless. The Salmonella, if it exists, will be in the ingredients. We have COAs for all the ingredients.



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Posted 10 April 2019 - 08:14 PM

That's correct, because we determined that such testing would be worse than useless. The Salmonella, if it exists, will be in the ingredients. We have COAs for all the ingredients.

 

Hi Hank, the 3 refs I checked seemed to imply that a positive result in zone 1 would almost certainly initiate a major incident. Hence no news was better than bad news. Strange logic I know.


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Posted 10 April 2019 - 09:50 PM

Hi Hank, the 3 refs I checked seemed to imply that a positive result in zone 1 would almost certainly initiate a major incident. Hence no news was better than bad news. Strange logic I know.

 

Salmonella is a special concern because it can survive essentially forever in dry ingredients. That's why it is better to assume it is always present in the raw materials, prior to treatment.



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Posted 11 April 2019 - 03:12 AM

Salmonella is a special concern because it can survive essentially forever in dry ingredients. That's why it is better to assume it is always present in the raw materials, prior to treatment.

 

Hi Hank,

 

Actually I had noted that yr previous attachment "seemed" to imply doing Salmonella sampling in Zone 1 (text is slightly ambiguous).

 

In truth, this one specific topic has generated a vast amount of discussion in the Literature (scientific and pragmatic) regarding  the making of an appropriate Yes/No decision.

 

I enclose an extract illustrating the scope of possible determining factors .-

 

 

Attached File  zone 1 sampling.PNG   662.6KB   6 downloads


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Posted 12 April 2019 - 10:09 PM

Hi Hank,

 

Actually I had noted that yr previous attachment "seemed" to imply doing Salmonella sampling in Zone 1 (text is slightly ambiguous).

 

In truth, this one specific topic has generated a vast amount of discussion in the Literature (scientific and pragmatic) regarding  the making of an appropriate Yes/No decision.

 

I enclose an extract illustrating the scope of possible determining factors .-

 

 

attachicon.gif zone 1 sampling.PNG

 

Yep, not a single one of those reasons to test in Zone 1 applies to my client's process.







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