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#1 Ruthie1

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Posted 18 October 2018 - 08:08 PM

What is everyone's reasoning for wearing hairnets over the top of stocking caps and bananas? I have had this as a rule, but I am recently now receiving push-back on it. 

Also, do you allow employees to wear their sweatshirt hoods up over the top of their hard hat or underneath it?



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Posted 18 October 2018 - 08:55 PM

I've never seen the rule of a hairnet over the stocking cap but instead putting a hairnet on first then the stocking cap. The reason being that most stocking caps or bandanas won't cover the hair completely.



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Posted 18 October 2018 - 09:05 PM

I've never seen the rule of a hairnet over the stocking cap but instead putting a hairnet on first then the stocking cap. The reason being that most stocking caps or bandanas won't cover the hair completely.

 

I got dinged on an audit for employees having hairnets underneath. He asked me how I knew they had them on if you couldn't see them, and how I knew they were cleaned properly if I did not launder them in-house.



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Posted 18 October 2018 - 09:09 PM

You have a stupid Auditor Ruthie.

 

Hairnets are intended to cover hair - not a hat.

 

I have seen companies issue hats where they control them for cleaning, etc - but always with a hairnet covering the hair.


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Posted 18 October 2018 - 10:51 PM

at my facility hoods must be tucked into frocks and not worn on the head at all. frocks and hairnets are designed to cover, so if you are wearing a hood,even with a hairnet on top of it the back or some of the sides are exposed defeating its intended purpose. Hoods can easily contain hairs so if an employee is wearing one on top of their bump cap and hairnet, whats protecting those hairs from falling into your product?  



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Posted 19 October 2018 - 12:42 PM

Stocking caps/bandana's (unless company issued and laundered) should be worn UNDER the hairnet-----the hairnet needs to then cover ALL of the hairline (easiest to implement an over the ears method of wearing hairnets)       

Also, a tight fight hat over top will inevitable pull the hair net up

 

 

If not company issued----gross, when was it washed last, where was it stored????   For the same reason..........no hoodies exposed just like other street clothes.....you cannot control them so they need to be inside the smock

 

IMO--do not allow ANY head covering besides a hairnet boom, problem solved...........yes you will get ALOT of push back on this, but it the simplest way to manage this one. Once people start getting written notices for repeatedly not following company policy it will become the new normal

 

AND this would add to your continuous improvement for the year


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Posted 19 October 2018 - 03:40 PM

We have our employees wear a hairnet covering their hair and if they choose to wear a stocking cap or bandana, they need to wear a hairnet on top of that.  So they will be wearing 2 hairnets. The reasoning is as Scampi pointed out, we do not control the cleaning of those items, so it's more of an extension of their hair at that point and should be covered (we also wear frocks over street clothes so it's the same concept)

 

We work in a refrigerated plant.  The employees are allowed to wear their hoods up (this does not replace any of the hairnet requirements above), or if they have them down then the hood has to be tucked into their frock.  The reason for tucking the hood in is more of a safety reason if they have to bend down for anything we don't want their hoods getting caught up in a piece of running equipment.



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Posted 19 October 2018 - 03:44 PM

you can also get disposable balaclavas that will cover a hoodie!

 

https://www.acklands...-25PK/p/RON1890


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Posted 03 October 2020 - 02:12 PM

Hi everyone,

 

 

in my workplace where where i am in the process of implementing food safety rules i have come across a lot of push-backs from employees. 

 

the reason is that they have to change their habits and left the comport zone for example in terms of wearing protective clothes like face mask, hair nets, sleeve covers and so on. 

 

to stay in context of this topic, the most actual case is wearing hairnet. 

mostly men are against of this and they are stating the following reasons: 

  • i am bold and do not need to wear a hairnet; 
  • because of hairnet hairloss has begun; 
  • i have an allergy on the material that is hairnet made of;
  • i preferer a bandana - the effect is the same and the material is more acceptable;
  • chefs say: i am shamed of wearing such kind of hair cover it is not fancy;
  • atc.

as you see the list of complaints may be endless.

 

to my mind all this is is because of they are not ready for the changes, they do not understand that they have to adhere to rules and forget about what is more comfortable.

 

i guess i have answers for all of these complaints: 

  • bold people also need a hairnet in order to protect food from dandruff;
  • bandana can not cover the hair/head completely;
  • other reasons i think is more false or arise because of phycological factors. 

i do not want to make exception for no one, because once you make this kind of precedent happen then always have to step back when someone is not satisfied of something especially when it comes to group of people... 

in my opinion, rule must not be changed and must be followed by each employee equally. 

 

based mentioned above, please share with your advices and experience how you figured out this kind of issues with personnel. 

 

thank you in advance!


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Posted 05 October 2020 - 03:33 AM

in my facility , own personal clothes is not allowed during working hours, because we not sure how clean of their own clothiers. 



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Posted 13 May 2021 - 07:14 PM

Hi everyone,

 

 

in my workplace where where i am in the process of implementing food safety rules i have come across a lot of push-backs from employees. 

 

the reason is that they have to change their habits and left the comport zone for example in terms of wearing protective clothes like face mask, hair nets, sleeve covers and so on. 

 

to stay in context of this topic, the most actual case is wearing hairnet. 

mostly men are against of this and they are stating the following reasons: 

  • i am bold and do not need to wear a hairnet; 
  • because of hairnet hairloss has begun; 
  • i have an allergy on the material that is hairnet made of;
  • i preferer a bandana - the effect is the same and the material is more acceptable;
  • chefs say: i am shamed of wearing such kind of hair cover it is not fancy;
  • atc.

as you see the list of complaints may be endless.

 

to my mind all this is is because of they are not ready for the changes, they do not understand that they have to adhere to rules and forget about what is more comfortable.

 

i guess i have answers for all of these complaints: 

  • bold people also need a hairnet in order to protect food from dandruff;
  • bandana can not cover the hair/head completely;
  • other reasons i think is more false or arise because of phycological factors. 

i do not want to make exception for no one, because once you make this kind of precedent happen then always have to step back when someone is not satisfied of something especially when it comes to group of people... 

in my opinion, rule must not be changed and must be followed by each employee equally. 

 

based mentioned above, please share with your advices and experience how you figured out this kind of issues with personnel. 

 

thank you in advance!

I am going through this right now. This Bald guy says he shave his hair every morning and has blatantly refused to wear a hairnet saying "what about the hair on my hands? my eyebrows? My eye lashes? I have given every explanation I know of because this is my first time having to deal with all these excuses. I could say I have been blessed with employees that just follow the rule. I just had someone cry today because i asked them to wear a hairnet under their chef's hairnet because most of their hair was outside. I am really shocked as to why people don't understand food safety and have been in food for a very long time and we produce RTE foods. My consultant told the bald guy who is also the head of his department that he had to wear a hairnet and he told her he doesn't see a reason why he has to do it and she was actually shocked too. I am also at a loss about what to do too because when you look online there is nothing concrete that says bald guys should wear a hair net, even the FDA and sorts do not have a specific guidance for this issue. 



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Posted 13 May 2021 - 07:42 PM

The bald guy is going to give you a lot of trouble (sounds like a real piece of work)..........no there is no written requirement to wear hairnets-he's absolutely right, however, you do not have the time to manage a slippery slope

 

When an auditor scans a room, they're looking for uniformity.

 

You tell that guy the rules are the rules----they are terms of employment, and he is free to find other employment if repeatedly doesn't follow company policy. Period

 

Get HR involved, verbal, written etc. It gets explained to "those" employees that it is required to follow ALL company policies at ALL times

 

If people are pushing hard on hairnets-----they're is something else going on in that facility that they are really not happy about or they wouldn't be giving you the gears


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Posted 14 May 2021 - 02:39 PM

The bald guy is going to give you a lot of trouble (sounds like a real piece of work)..........no there is no written requirement to wear hairnets-he's absolutely right, however, you do not have the time to manage a slippery slope

 

When an auditor scans a room, they're looking for uniformity.

 

You tell that guy the rules are the rules----they are terms of employment, and he is free to find other employment if repeatedly doesn't follow company policy. Period

 

Get HR involved, verbal, written etc. It gets explained to "those" employees that it is required to follow ALL company policies at ALL times

 

If people are pushing hard on hairnets-----they're is something else going on in that facility that they are really not happy about or they wouldn't be giving you the gears

You got it right, He is a real piece of work. The company is a small Chocolate company that has been running for almost 9years without a QA team but due to their growth they had to hire me. I am the 1st QA manager here and I am starting from scratch. My consultant told him "You wear the hairnet because your boss says so"! she was already mad at him just seeing him for 2minutes! He told me he worked for five guys for 15years and he never had to wear a hair net and maybe this is not the job for him and I told him he probably needs to find another job and still no hairnets! I am glad they are moving the department to another location soon. I have only been here for 2months so I am not sure why they are giving me the gears but I just keep pushing. Most of the employees are compliant and they are learning a lot because its a lot of changes and they have been doing it their way for 9years now and I am the bad guy. 

Thank you for the advice. 







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