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#1 mindyh

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Posted 11 March 2020 - 12:16 PM

I am the Quality Assurance Specialist at a functional baking ingredient manufacturer and I have my PCQI certification but I need to know if I still need to be HACCP certified. We are SQF and the auditor wasn't sure either. 



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Posted 11 March 2020 - 12:41 PM

We had to get clarification about SQF as well. They told us the PCQI training would work as a substitute. Not sure if this came from SQFI or our certification body.



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Posted 11 March 2020 - 01:11 PM

PCQI certification training is based in HACCP principles so should be accepted as a proof that you went through the required training. 



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Posted 11 March 2020 - 01:18 PM

If you are the SQF Practitioner or the cover person for the SQF Practitoner you are required to have specific HACCP training with a certificate. 


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Posted 11 March 2020 - 01:26 PM

Thank you Glenn,

   Yes I am the SQF Practitioner. Our auditor wasn't sure since PCQI also covers HACCP. She told me to find our before our next audit. I have my PCQI certificate currently. But in order to stay compliant I need to know what all certifications I need. 



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Posted 11 March 2020 - 02:01 PM

Thank you Glenn,

   Yes I am the SQF Practitioner. Our auditor wasn't sure since PCQI also covers HACCP. She told me to find our before our next audit. I have my PCQI certificate currently. But in order to stay compliant I need to know what all certifications I need. 

 

 

The requirements for the SQF Practitioner is clear under section 2.1.2, HACCP training is required for the SQF Practitioner.

 

Since it appears that the Auditor is less than competent I would just go do the HACCP training now.

 

Frankly, I am shocked by the competence of the Auditor and the statement that she made.


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Posted 11 March 2020 - 03:04 PM

I can say by my short experience dealing with 2 BC's and over 17 SQF audits there was no auditor that did not accept the PQCI certificate as a HACCP training covering the 2.1.2 clause. PCQI is HACCP named differently by the US agency, teach the HACCP principles and if you are not located in US or the auditor was from outside the country (US) then I understand he was not sure.

(I also think she didn't give you a NCR because she knows you can escalate to the BC and win that point back)



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Posted 11 March 2020 - 03:14 PM

Sorry Fred, no wash.

 

SQF might be grey, but that is what the standard calls for - it doesn't say - if you have a PCQI certificate you have HACCP training covered as well.  

 

Never once have I not had an Auditor ask for proof of HACCP training.

 

I always found that if I stick to the standards as written I don't have issues down the road, now if they change this to say PCQI is fine in place of... I'll go with that.  

 

I find that if I cover all the standards with our clients we don't have to deal with the whims of Auditors that are twisted up and cross contaminated by cross over standards from other schemes they are doing as well.


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Posted 28 May 2020 - 08:00 PM

I have had inquiries regarding if I have had PCQI training. Ironically I have had multiple courses and training in HACCP and certified ASQ CFSQA  - however one auditor said I needed PCQI training - what's the problem?



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Posted 28 May 2020 - 08:19 PM

To the OP: How did you go through PCQI without HACCP though? Its not a requirement but it still is a good idea. Also as Glen said the SQF code is pretty clear, it says you should have your HACCP ready for their review :) 

 

I have had inquiries regarding if I have had PCQI training. Ironically I have had multiple courses and training in HACCP and certified ASQ CFSQA  - however one auditor said I needed PCQI training - what's the problem?

 

CFSQA isnt the same as PCQI. PCQI focuses a lot more on the regulatory side. So you know what is required from you in terms of law. 

 

I'm currently studying to become ASQ CFSQA btw :)


Edited by The Food Scientist, 28 May 2020 - 08:23 PM.

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